Every inspector develops a process that works for them.
But that process gets tested in real life — when multiple people are involved, timelines shift, and expectations don’t always line up.
In The Ride Along Episode 69, Joey McPeek of Peek Inspections, an inspection company serving Boise and the Treasure Valley in Idaho, joins Brad and Matt to talk about how inspection days actually play out and how his approach has evolved over time. Joey discusses his construction background, his focus on documenting findings, and how inspection workflows can shift when you’re coordinating with others.
The episode touches on timing, reviews, and the small moments during inspections that can shape how your day runs.
If you’ve ever thought about how your process holds up when things get hectic, this conversation will resonate.
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Transcript
Brad Lowery
Matt, it’s either right or it’s wrong.
Matt Brading
Thanks. Is that how it started?
Joey McPeek
It’s a… I I was starting.
Brad Lowery
Just roll the intro. All right, listen, man, we deal with a lot of stuff when it comes to home inspectors. We’ve got to know everything about roofing, electrical, plumbing, and so on and so on. And there’s a right way to do things and there’s a wrong way to do things. And in general, I feel like as inspectors, we definitely know when we see the wrong way, right?
Matt Brading
Thanks. I mean, yeah, I mean, I see things that are not supposed to do that all the time. I mean, and for that matter, you know, I mean, that’s our whole job is finding things that are wrong, but it’s like, there are some people that, you know, there is no middle ground. And I think an authority on that is the guy that we’re bringing on the show today, a friend, Joey McPeek out of Idaho, peak inspections, Joey, welcome to the show.
Joey McPeek
Yeah. So that matter. Hey, glad to be here. Long time listener, first time caller.
Matt Brading
Haha!
Brad Lowery
Hey we got one man. We finally got a live one. Let’s do it. Welcome on man.
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Brad Lowery
Tell everybody a little bit about yourself. Just kind of like what you do, where you’re from, and how you got into home inspections, man.
Joey McPeek
Perfect. Yeah, man. So, um, raised in the Carolina has been there most of my life and, um, actually moved to Idaho on a whim and like 2018. And then, uh, went back to the Carolinas for a year to work with, uh, one of my good buddies, who’s a really successful home inspector kind of, I always say to the Carolinas that I grew up in South Carolina, but just outside of Charlotte. Um, and so worked with him for a long time, about a year, actually got about 500 inspections and he’s one of the top inspectors. So I fast forwarded my knowledge just like through the roof. I’ve worked with him a couple times before and the whole plan was to come back to Boise and to start a home inspection company. And then that’s where peak inspections jumped off.
Brad Lowery
Dude, I love it man. you know, we were kind of talking a bit before about your name. I’m just happy to have you on because you have been one of the biggest like commenters and one of the most engaging inspectors that we’ve had on all of our channels. So it’s great to get one of our fans on the show here because we’re fans of you, man. I mean, you’re absolutely killing the game out there. So.
Matt Brading
For sure. But hey, we gotta, you said the name. We gotta talk about the name. You were blessed with a perfect name for a home inspection company, man. I mean, Peak Home Inspection. It’s funny because I always want to call you Joey Peak, but your name’s Mick Peak. But I think Mick Peak Home Inspections may not work as good as Peak Home Inspections. That’s great, man. So I love that you just leaned into it like that.
Joey McPeek
Yeah. Yeah. That’s right. That’s why my joke is always telling people I was born to be a home inspector. Just drop the MC. Um, and it’s, it’s funny actually, like when, know, I, I do presentations sometimes or, or I’m, you know, I’m doing speaking somewhere. Somebody will always introduce me as this is Joey peak from peak home inspections or peak. It’s I don’t really care. go with it. Yeah. As long as there’s name recognition, that means they’re thinking about me. You can call me whatever you want. As long as you call me for your inspection.
Brad Lowery
Hello, Mc Peek, anybody home? Yeah.
Matt Brading
Fantastic
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Matt Brading
We’re just gonna come in here and take a McPeek.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, just take a quick McPeek and we’re good.
Brad Lowery
That’s it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have your own dollar menu when it comes to, you know, your inspection services?
Joey McPeek
It’s a, a, there’s no value items on there. It’s, all premium stuff at this point.
Matt Brading
Yeah,
Brad Lowery
There you go. I love it. Well, I’m glad that you’re on the show, Matt, we have not really done a drink of the day in a while. Number one, because we’ve been recording these kind of in the middle of the day, and it was drier January, not completely dry January, dry-ish. But we’re recording in the evening. It’s a Friday evening that we’re shooting this. We’ve got a good friend of the show that’s on joining us today. And we have something very special that we need to raise a drink to. So without further ado, we have a sponsor for the show, which we’ll tell you about right here.
Matt Brading
I’ll use dope right in.
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Matt Brading
Right.
Brad Lowery
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Matt Brading
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Brad Lowery
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Matt Brading
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Brad Lowery
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Matt Brading
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Brad Lowery
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that drink of the day, Matt, what are you sipping on? Because you’ve got a big reason to be sipping.
Matt Brading
Well, yeah, I opened up a special bottle today. OK, so this is is a bottle. It’s a four gate split staff. It’s a nice, expensive, very good bottle of bourbon. No longer made. So it’s like I got two bottles and that’s it. The reason why I’m opening up a great bottle today is because, I have an announcement. If are we all familiar? I know you are, Brad, with the Build Show.
Brad Lowery
Yes.
Joey McPeek
yeah!
Matt Brading
I was gonna say I got the news. I guess you’ve got the news a while back, but, um, it is announced as of today, right before the show got recorded that, uh, I am the newest, uh, build pro on the team at the Build Show So, uh, they are, they are now publishing a lot of my videos on their, uh, The Build Show website. And I am a part of the build team. So you’ll start to see me in addition to.
Brad Lowery
Hey, let’s go.
Matt Brading
The Texas Edge logo and I am just thrilled to be a part of that.
Brad Lowery
Now this is awesome, Matt. Number one, because this has been a big milestone that you’ve been working towards for a while. Two, for those of you all that watched, and if you didn’t, go back and watch, we recorded with Matt Reisinger. We did a podcast episode with him last year. And this is one of the top names in the building science community. And he has done an amazing job essentially making his own HGTV style network from, I mean, he’s an OG YouTuber, over a million followers and spun off his own Magnolia network, kind of like the Chip and Joanna Gaines thing. But it’s all around construction and building science. I mean, congratulations, dude. This is a huge accomplishment,
Matt Brading
Man, I’m thrilled and honored to be on their team. I’ve learned so much from them and it’s just such a, it’s so cool for them. By the way, I’d like to say this because this is something that really makes me proud besides just being on the team. I am the first and only home inspector on the team.
Joey McPeek
Thank you
Brad Lowery
That’s what’s up, man. That’s Yeah, well earned for sure. So everybody pour a drink for Matt celebrate on his behalf. Joey, what are you sipping on my friend?
Joey McPeek
Well deserved.
Matt Brading
Thanks.
Joey McPeek
We got a little bottle of a basil Hayden. Yeah. Yeah, I was looking through the stash getting ready for the show and I was like, you know what? We haven’t touched the basil in a while. We’ll pour a little drink for that one.
Brad Lowery
All right, all right, can’t go wrong with it.
Matt Brading
There you
Brad Lowery
Good stuff. Well, I am sipping on a good old fashioned, makers Mark based, old fashioned. So, you know, I’m, I’m in the, the Kentucky region over here, just in Nashville, Tennessee. So just south of, of bourbon country. But, but really guys, I look, I don’t want to rob from, from the big news there, Matt, I want to go on a rant. I look Nashville has turned into quite a drinking town. It has been obviously for a long time. Okay. But, but
Matt Brading
All right, do it.
Brad Lowery
with the millennials has come all of the, I’m going to sound like such an old man. It’s come all of these bespoke bars and little cutesy pop-ups and all these experiences where they charge you out the you know what for liquor. I’m talking $20 cocktails, 16 to $20 cocktails before tax. And I saw one the other day where you’re old fashioned. They put it in a little glass hut and fill the hut with smoke and then bring you the house and open the door. I don’t need it.
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Matt Brading
Yeah.
Brad Lowery
I don’t need my drink to go in the little home before it goes in down the gullet into my stomach. All right, to make me make that decision. No, no.
Matt Brading
I’m not a fan of that.
No. Yeah. I don’t like the theatrics. I don’t like the theatrics of a smoke. Like if it’s smoked right, like I’ve had one or two that were okay, but I don’t like the whole theatrical scene. Smoke that before you bring it over.
Brad Lowery
What is with this? Yeah, I thought smoked old fashions were cool for a second. I’ve got a kit here at the house, but you start putting in a freaking like greenhouse before you serve it to me and charge me extra for the greenhouse service. Get right on out. Dude, as my former German father-in-law said on a family vacation about millennials and their craft beers, he goes, I do not understand why they need to make beer any different than the way that beer has always been made. What is with these strawberry beers?
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Matt Brading
Yeah.
Joey McPeek
Hey.
Brad Lowery
No, just serve it like it has always been. And I’m like, dude, now I’m feeling that same way about my old fashion. So I will make it a home free.
Matt Brading
I mean, you’ve got a point.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, well, I mean, your two drinks in at a restaurant, you could have just bought your own bottle of Makers at home and have a million drinks.
Brad Lowery
Who? That’s what I’m saying.
Matt Brading
Right.
Brad Lowery
Joey,
Matt Brading
That’s right.
Brad Lowery
This brings us right back to why we have you on. There is a right way and there is a wrong way. The way that people are doing these drinks now is the wrong way. So that pivots us right there.
Joey McPeek
yeah.
Matt Brading
That’s what a great transition into talking about Joey here. So Joey, we are so thrilled to have you on today. You know, I’ve been watching your videos that you put out on social media for a while. You know, we had the pleasure of sitting next to you when we were in Dallas at the InterNACHI convention for that social media. What was that thing? Some type of banner we were on. Yeah, the roundtable. That was a lot of fun. But you know,
Joey McPeek
Yeah, what? The round table.
Matt Brading
Watching you, I mean, you kind of make it like unmistakably clear that you feel like there’s a right way and a wrong way to go about doing things, not just in construction, but how the inspections done, how the house should be ready, lots of things. I just want to know like, where did you get that mindset? Where that mindset come from? Was it just through experience doing inspections?
Joey McPeek
Yeah, you know, it’s I’m always like that too. And you can you can ask my therapist like I don’t operate in the gray at all. I I talked about it last Wednesday with her. I mean, it’s one of those things of like, for me, it’s so hard to understand. Like I know there’s tolerances and there’s gray areas for a lot of things. But you know, like it took a while to get into the industry before you realize like, well, I honestly social media is what did it like, you know, you can you can quote code and have 400 electricians disagree, argue, and then it comes down to HJ and specific and whatever else there is. And so I’m very black and white. It’s either wrong or it’s right. And if it’s not, this is what I was talking with the superintendent today. Like I’m just going to err on the side of caution or double checking. So I know my clients are going to end up kind of, you know, with either right or safe. You know, I’m going to err on the side of caution no matter what. But, you know, being in a field, you don’t want to look dumb. And that’s kind of the thing. I’m very competitive. I want to be the best at everything I do. And part of that is, know, for our job, I think is being right. I mean, you don’t want to look stupid. All it takes is one, you know, one tradesman to say, you know, whatever, who’s your inspector. You got another realtor saying, that inspector is wrong. This, this, and this. And it’s like, you’re just constantly, and maybe you guys notice this too. Like you just, you’re constantly like defending yourself when you first start. Now I don’t care as much.
Matt Brading
Yeah.
Brad Lowery
Especially if the edge shows up.
Joey McPeek
What’s that? Yeah. Yeah.
Matt Brading
What’s that?
Brad Lowery
If the buyer’s dad shows up, absolutely.
Matt Brading
Yeah, well, we get the people being at the inspections, I mean, know, you have a background in construction, do you not?
Joey McPeek
Yeah. So I’ve been in either construction or sales my whole life. Um, one of my first jobs, I was like, was a junior in high school and I was a, like a trend carpenters apprentice for summer building stair rails and, new construction houses, uh, did some framing for a little bit in college and out of college. Um, I was, I worked with like a custom builder kind of up near Charlotte. And, uh, you know, I was involved in million plus dollar houses back in like 2009, 2010, 2011 ish area too. So, um, I always make a joke too. Like I’m one of the reasons you need a home inspection because I don’t know if you guys have ever seen maybe in Florida for like some flat roofs or something. There’s this product called hydro stop and it was this like new roofing stuff that had come out. And you know, you, you, put like a primer layer down and you put like a felt layer down almost and you put another layer down on top of it. This guy told me, mean, we’re, building million plus dollar houses and he’s like, go hydro stop that house. I went and I did it. I got a million bucks if that house doesn’t leak. mean, I know for a fact that thing leaks. Yeah. And so like I’ve never done it before in my life.
Matt Brading
That’s a band-aid, That’s a band-aid.
Brad Lowery
Yeah. Now are they using that for like ice and water shield kind of a thing or for underlayment? Like what are they using?
Joey McPeek
It’s mostly flat roof stuff, parapet walls and yep. And you just, yep. Just, just layered. Yeah. It was called hydro stop. know, my ex father-in-law under roofing company, like he did it a couple of times, but you know, I was literally, I was like a fresh out of college kid working for a guy that was building large custom houses in a major metropolitan city. And he told me to go, that’s what he would do. So I figured a lot of stuff out like that and figured out a lot of other stuff just kind of in the field too. And so, man, it’s so hot in South Carolina and humid.
Brad Lowery
Okay, just layered.
Joey McPeek
I was, I kind of, I shifted a lot to sales. I’m like, man, I remember I tell a story all the time. I was framing in like late October and I was, I was walking a top plate and I’m nailing H cliffs right to the trust to the top plate. Right. And every time I would bend over a beat of sweat would roll off my hat. And I’m like, hear you. I’m like, man, this is late October, man. I can’t be changing my, my drawers and my pants and my socks every single day. Like at lunch, just because I’m so sweaty.
Matt Brading
Bye.
Joey McPeek
So I’m like my back hurt from wrestling in high school. I’m like, I got to figure something else out. And so I went into like sales and various construction roles too. And then I felt like being a home inspector ended up, worked with my buddy a couple of times. Then I was like, man, this, this is it. This is what I want to do. It’s, get to learn all the time. I get to be my own boss and I’m constantly like my windshield is constantly changing. I knew new job site every day.
Matt Brading
Well,
Brad Lowery
Love that man.
Matt Brading
No doubt that that like construction experience helped shape, you know, the way you do inspections, but also like, you know, seeing how construction kind of went, you got to instead of like, go put the Band-Aid on stuff. You’ve got to actually help people and be like, Hey, I know this stuff and this is just a Band-Aid. This is not what you want. one of my favorite videos that I feel like I, I, this rings in my head all the time. I feel like it’s about a year ago. You put out a video where you were, we were talking, you were talking about lumber yard mold. like in a pre drywall and it was like I’ve never heard anybody be so assertive with their opinions about this and you’re like, look, I know what it is. I was in construction. I’ve seen this stuff. I don’t I’m not molding spectrum. I don’t know if it’s live. I don’t know if it’s dead. It doesn’t matter to me. Get it out of here. You know, everyone’s mold sensitive. The client doesn’t want it. Sand it, bleach it, get it out of here. And it’s no, no nonsense like this. Go.
Joey McPeek
Yeah. Yep.
Brad Lowery
It should not be. Yeah.
Matt Brading
You know, like, I just love that.
Joey McPeek
Well, that yeah, and that was like that was a perfect quote of man. It’s like I I’m getting like I get animated and fired up about it I actually I you know, I actually care too, but here’s how I break everything down as a home inspector like liabilities at the top of my list. That’s all I care about. I don’t want somebody to sue me. So under that is you’re going to get the best home inspection possible. So I’ve explained to people before to like hey 98 % of the stuff that I report on. Personally, I don’t care about like it doesn’t affect me. But if you’re the one person that this is going to affect, you know, then then I want to make sure that’s covered to my that I take my personal opinions and beliefs out of it. I take my knowledge out of it. Same thing is one crack trust going to make your house fall down. Not really. I haven’t seen it yet. Maybe it has in some higher wind areas, but there’s some snow low areas, but you know, at the same point, you know, I’ve got some close friends of mine building a house right now and there’s a small crack in the trust and the builders like pushing back on it.
Matt Brading
Right
Joey McPeek
And I’m like, look, it’s up here. It’s where the furnaces in the attic, the next inspector that comes in, he’s going to see that discoloration, that mold, that lumber yard mold, that crack trust, that gusset plate missing. And when they go to sell that house and are out of their warranty, now that other inspector is going to say something about it. And now they’ve got to pay for it. So I want to protect my clients, my buyers at all costs. And so, you know, when I have to get animated with these builders or, you know, post those videos or something like, man, I’m really I only care about the interest of those buyers and they want education. My opinion besides outside of that, I can give them that opinion, but heaven forbid I don’t say anything about that. That lumberyard mold or discoloration on the wood and then they move in and you know that that seems to be very common. There’s cases all over social media and online now where people are moving into these houses and just getting sick, sick, sick, sick and I want to be like, hey, I told you so. I don’t want to be the guy of like, well, try suing the home inspector next, you know, like.
Brad Lowery
Well, and you know, you’re, sounds like you’re applying this a lot to brand new construction, which is great because it’s how many houses do we get in, where we can look at a water stain, but we, put a moisture meter to it and it’s dry. We look at it from the roof, but it’s like, okay, well it looks like the roof has been replaced. So this is on the deck. So we have no idea when that might’ve occurred, right? We have no idea, like mold in an attic space, especially on new construction. If it’s lumber yard mold.
Joey McPeek
Don’t you get the house inspected. Thank you. Yeah.
Brad Lowery
We don’t know 10 years down the line. If somebody doesn’t call it out immediately, we don’t know on the next point of sale when that happened necessarily. We can make an educated guess, but at least for you, you know exactly where it happened because this house is too new for it to have just happened right then. And so it’s now is the perfect time for there to be a repair or replacement before this thing gets too far down the road.
Joey McPeek
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Matt Brading
Yeah, I always like to tell people when I’m doing my inspections, like this inspection is for you, but it’s all for resale purposes. You know, like I bring this stuff up, not just for your benefit right now. You may not care about this, but if I don’t tell you about it and give you the opportunity to get something done right now, it could affect you from a resale standpoint because the next person that comes here, the next guy like me that comes in here could find this. They could bring it up to somebody and all of a sudden they think it’s a problem. And now instead of being the builder’s problem or the seller’s problem.
Joey McPeek
Mm-hmm.
Matt Brading
It’s your problem now. And so that’s, I always try to approach things that way. It’s like, you know, try to, try to manage. And of course, you know, when it’s new constructions, one thing with somebody selling a house to another, but it’s like, try to manage like your concerns with resale in mind, because it eventually could be your problem, whether you care about it right now or not.
Joey McPeek
Mm-hmm.
Brad Lowery
Now that’s huge.
Joey McPeek
That’s such a great point. mean, that’s in. And like I said, it goes back to me. You know, I want to be the best home inspector for my clients and limiting my liability. How many times have we gotten those emails like three years after we inspect their house? Hey, do you still have a copy of that inspection report? You know, because I know what they’re doing. They’re about to sell that house or a contractor came in and they’re wanting to see if I told them about something, you know, and yeah. So again, me protecting myself is ultimately going to protect those clients and you know one thing, so I’m in an unregulated state. Idaho is not regulated. I’ve been working behind the scenes for four years trying to get it regulated, but that’s a that’s a whole separate podcast in itself. But you know, home inspectors out here are generally not that great. I’ve seen a lot of other reports and I’d like I, I’m starting a group right now. I’d like to get as many home inspectors together as we can so we can just do better. And what’s gotten me a lot of business too was like. I would go and do a inspection and then they would compare it with the pre listing inspection and it’s not even close. And the problem with being in an unregulated state is we all kind of promise like, here’s this SOP because I know that’s how, you know, you’re going to be a home inspector. You take whatever your ashes, your nachis, whatever, and they give you that SOP to follow. And then a lot of these inspectors just send that out because that’s kind of like part of the, you know, part of the business. And I don’t think they realize what all they’re promising their clients in those SOPs. And so I got a reputation for being extremely thorough. And I’m like, I’m just following, you know, what I was taught because I was in North Carolina and South Carolina, two regulated States. I was like, I was taught with just, I follow SOP, maybe a little more like taking an electrical panel off, you know, barely above an SOP. But I looked like I was an all world inspector because I was so thorough that I’m like, I’m just doing what I promised you guys. I was like all these other inspectors, they’re, just not familiar because there’s not a state board of this. There’s nobody to turn their name into when, they miss something or do something like.
Matt Brading
Yeah.
Joey McPeek
I can create my own SOP, send it out to clients out here and that SOP could say, I don’t go on crawl spaces. You know, hey, I look from the hatch and there’s legally nothing that you can do about it. Yeah, you sign the agreement, you know, so like, you know, I make that promise to my buyers, like I’m going to be thorough and and that’s just kind of the problem in Idaho and some, I know there’s a handful of other unregulated states right now, but you know.
Matt Brading
Here it is, in my SOP. Yeah.
Brad Lowery
Long as it’s there.
Matt Brading
Not many, but yeah, there’s still some.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, so we’re just trying. I’m working on the back end. I’ve got a couple of irons in the fire right now to kind of get this thing moving along to at least pass the home inspector exam, the national NHI so.
Matt Brading
Right, right. Yeah, well, I mean, I’ve just never seen anybody stick to their guns to as much as you do about that, about that topic, you know, about like, and like, yeah, you’re right. Like I’m here to protect you, the client, but like, I’m not, I’ve never seen anybody be so bold about like, like, I’m not trying to get sued, you know, like I’m going to tell you everything you do it with what you want. I don’t care. Builder, you do what you want. Buyer, you do what you want.
Joey McPeek
Yeah. Yeah.
Matt Brading
I’m going to tell you what I found period. And I’ve just never seen anybody be that direct with it. And I really respect that. I’ve always respected that about your videos. And after meeting you in person, it’s like, you seem like you’re that’s just kind of how you are. Straightforward, straight shooter.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, a little bit. I used to be a people person, but yeah, you know, it’s it’s.
Brad Lowery
People ruin that, don’t they?
Matt Brading
I you can still be a people person.
Brad Lowery
People ruin being a people person.
Matt Brading
I mean, yeah, I don’t think, I don’t think one message with the other too much. mean, like you can be a straight shooter and you can still be a people person, right? Especially, I mean, you know, when it comes to your, your work, you know, I mean, I just don’t think you’re, you let the politics of like, you know, builder relations or, or, or people’s feelings or anything get in the way of anything, but it seems as though you have a really
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Matt Brading
A palatable way of getting these points across without like causing a ton of friction, which is really interesting to me because you know, I want to get into it a little bit because you don’t really sugarcoat anything at all. And like, how does that like work with builders and with buyers and with realtors? How does all that like
Joey McPeek
You’re really shi-
Brad Lowery
I had the same question.
Yeah, how does it affect your reputation and how does that affect the business that comes in?
Joey McPeek
Yes. Uh, I still have a wait list, so I’m just going to keep operating it at capacity. I’ve got me and the two other inspectors that work with me and, uh, you know, I’d like to hire another guy here in the next month or two and maybe one more by the end of the year. Um, I did the math. did one out of every 10 inspections that happened in, the treasure valley of Idaho last year. Um, so, or my team did rather. And so, yeah. So I, you know,
Brad Lowery
That’s awesome,
Matt Brading
Awesome.
Joey McPeek
Matt, I appreciate everything you said, and I think I can kind of take that and there is a line though, too. You know, I’m really I have a really great relationship with a lot of these builders, but I kind of operate on that extreme. Right. And I’m on social media and some people really love that. Some people really don’t like that. I did a pre drywall this afternoon and actually I did too. I did a new build this morning and pre drywall this afternoon. And the electrician that came into the new build that was doing the under cabinet lighting. Said he recognized me from Tik Tok loves me. He’s going to have me do his own house here in a couple of months when he gets done building it. Okay. The superintendent for the pre drywall I did this afternoon, him and I sat there and we chopped up and, we’ve, we’ve had a really great dialogue. I’ve seen him on a couple other houses and I think we’ve got a great relationship. Now on the other side, I won’t get too much into cause I’m in the middle of this, but I’ve got another local builder who’s frivolously like trying to sue me right now with no like grounds whatsoever. Yeah.
Brad Lowery
Now you know you’re doing your job.
Joey McPeek
Like literally served me papers a few months ago and and trying to get money from me somehow. It literally just doesn’t make any sense. And they’ve bad mouth me to clients, bad mouth me to realtors. And you know the best part about this, like the whole the whole premise of this podcast, it’s either right or it’s wrong. Don’t don’t talk crap about Joey. Show them in the report the pictures in the videos. If there’s a broken trust, I mean, that’s just an easy example. I, how, do I, even if I’ve never been in construction before, how do I know if that’s right, wrong or indifferent? It’s right there. There’s a picture of it. You can’t talk crap about me like, and do that. So, so it lands me in the side where, um, I have a great relationship probably with like 99 % of these builders because they, they actually, you know, they come up to me they’re like, you know, they’ve seen every other home inspector here in the treasure Valley. They, they, they respect me they know that I know what I’m talking about and I’m not just out there calling out wild stuff for the fun of doing it. And you know, one of the biggest compliments that I’ve posted on my Instagram a few times, one of biggest comments I ever get, did, I don’t know how many times I’ve done this now, but the superintendents, the people that typically hate home inspectors the most, they always call me to inspect their personal houses. So yeah.
Matt Brading
See?
Brad Lowery
That’s how you know right there. That’s it. Well, first of all, like. Go ahead, Matt.
Matt Brading
That’s really the difference right there. You’ve got the people that are like, I want this guy to inspect my home. I like what you’re putting out there. And then you’ve got the people that want to combat you. I mean, that is, I mean, you got right and wrong right there, man. That screams everything that we need to know right there. If somebody, you know, if there’s so many people that actually support it, then there’s people that are going against it here. I mean, to me, that screams like, okay, I’ve got something to hide. You know?
Brad Lowery
It doesn’t just it’s not just that but it’s also that the proof is in the pudding when when it comes down to how you communicate what you communicate right because like you were talking about there’s inspectors that have a reputation we talked about the deal killers all the time and they have this reputation because they’re they’re kind of just butthole. Yeah. We were talking about him specifically right but yeah right right yeah yeah. That’s it which by the way go check out his new podcast he’s doing a good job over there.
Joey McPeek
Anyway…
Matt Brading
Yeah. Do yourself, Brad. You know who you are. I know, it’s just his license plate. It’s just funny. I’m still gonna kick out of that.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, Brad raise your hand.
Matt Brading
That’s right. right.
Joey McPeek
I saw that, yeah.
Brad Lowery
Yeah, You said it.
Matt Brading
And watch him on our podcast. If you haven’t seen it, he was on a couple of episodes ago, right before the end of the year, I believe. And yeah, he’s fantastic.
Joey McPeek
That was a great episode.
Brad Lowery
Excellent plug. That was the best way to end the year. Yeah, but truly it’s, but what you say and how you say it is really the biggest differentiator I find in this industry. Because when you could communicate hard facts truthfully with a season measure of grace, that’s when you get these guys that are calling you back. And for me, I’m like, the callback is the proof that I did my job the right way. Not just from, you know, the, builders or supervisors. It’s for me, it’s the customers that call me. I got a text the other day from a buyer in Washington DC. I didn’t even remember the number, but they’re like, Hey, could you come do an inspection for us in a couple of days here? We’re looking to buy it. And I was like, how did you find out about me? And they’re like, well, you did our inspection like three, four years ago. And I was like, yeah, cool. Well, you know, they’re looking to upsize something like that, but it’s, it’s when you communicate facts.
Joey McPeek
For me as see you. And I’m will you do an inspection? You communicate fast.
Brad Lowery
In a way that is helpful, not hurtful. That’s when the agents call you back because
Joey McPeek
In a way that is helpful.
Brad Lowery
That was my biggest question. What I was prepared to ask you is like, how has this affected your relationship with agents? That’s where we get most of our work.
Joey McPeek
Peace. Surprisingly, like, again, it’s like, in my mind, there’s right and wrong. And so when I’m putting stuff in reports, every agent, you know, they say the same thing, we want you for the buyer side, not on our listing, right. And that’s another good compliment that we’ve all heard too. But, you know, ultimately, if the inspector that they recommend is terrible, then they look dumb too. And I think, you know, a lot of a lot of these agents that I’ve worked with have found a lot of value in that knowing like, one, they know that they’re doing the best they possibly can by by sending Joey or one of his teammates out there. And then so they’re like, hey, we’re going to be covered. At least I got that part taken care of. But you don’t ever want that phone call as a realtor where you’re like where, you know, the client saying, guess what your inspector miss or, know, hey, how, how, can we get the feedback from the inspector? You know, that happens a lot. And then they don’t want to look stupid. And so I think when they know, they would rather deal with everything like what maybe there’s a thousand things wrong with that house, you know, and most inspectors find a hundred of them. Most some are found like 500 of them. Well, Joey’s going to give you all 1000 that he can find and then let you deal with it later. You know, and that’s where a lot of that that kind of break is of like, it’s not our job to babysit people through the report either. That’s where that realtor kind of comes in and their experience and knowledge walks people through these reports. Like I can’t for legal reasons, I can’t tell you, you know, to seal this crack on the foundation is more important than, you know, fixing a door that’s binding in the jam. Like, Hey, the entire report needs to be looked at. And that’s where I think that line gets crossed. And so when a lot of agents kind of understand that and you kind of have to train them to like how you do business and then, you know, it’s I’ve got such a great relationship with a lot of them where you know they’re asking to get on my schedule because they know I’m going to do the best for their clients and then they can navigate after that. There’s a ton of stuff that comes in that’s their job and it makes them better agents too.
Matt Brading
Yeah. So you have alluded a couple of times that you’ve got a couple of guys that work with you or a couple of guys on your team. you know, you’re, how do I say you’re the way you do business, this like no right, no wrong, like, that’s the best way I can describe it. Like, how do you instill that into your team?
Joey McPeek
Mm-hmm. I believe the medical term is anxiety or the psychological term. I can’t it’s you know, you kind of learn like the if you guys ever played sports, right? I wrestled in high school and then I started coaching wrestling afterwards. I coach the same way that my coach taught me because that’s kind of that was my example. That’s how I knew so.
Brad Lowery
Do you talk about this in therapy too? it? Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. I remember that coach that one time. Yeah, I didn’t run fast enough and.
Joey McPeek
I talk about this literally every time. Years have passed. Yeah. And that shapes you.
Matt Brading
This is like gold, right? feel like I didn’t realize that this question was going to go this way. I feel like you’re about to tell us how you kind of go about, you know, training your staff and I’m really anxious to hear what it is. Not to any pressure on it or anything. mean like, pressure. just whatever.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, yeah, a lot of tears. Yeah. I just want to well, I’d be the first guest that cries on here. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, I so it goes back to the way that I was taught to and I’ve got my own kind of like special flair and stuff to it. But when I went back to work with it with my buddy Rick, you know, he was older than me. He’s got kids around my age, a little bit younger than me.
Brad Lowery
Go for it, man. Hey, this is a safe space.
Matt Brading
Okay, is it getting there? I need to pour another drink for that. Hold on.
Joey McPeek
And we were great friends. met through jujitsu. And so we were really, really close. He liked to fly fish and a lot of stuff that I like doing hunt and stuff. So we got really close, but when I worked with him, there was a very business side of him. We were great friends outside of it, but there was nights that I just sat there. And I remember like first, when I first started, like I would sit there, I would, I would wait by my phone until like 11, cause he would go home and work on reports until real late at night. And I would wait by my phone, just like, sitting there shaking, looking at my phone, like he’s going to text me. He’s going to call me and I got to answer right away because this one it’s a friend and I don’t want to ruin his business. I, know, I want to help him. I know he’s working hard. And so he is like, I was so scared to miss anything that that’s kind of, that’s where my style developed too. And I, I mean, I had a wealth of knowledge. was one, he’s still probably the smartest inspector I’ve ever met in my entire life. Like, you know, I’ve never asked him a question. He did not have an answer to, and that was a great resource for me to fall back on. So I kind of wanted to be, I guess subconsciously I was that way with my guys too. I’ve got two guys. my one guy has been with me almost since the beginning out here about a year in I hired him. and, and I joke all the time. He’s a better inspector than I am. I mean, he, he’s got a mind for it. He doesn’t have the ADHD like I have, you know, he’s everything he does is precise and perfect. Like, I mean, one, there’s a lot of getting lucky and then two. You know, I tried to train him the way that I was trying to and you know, so both of my inspections are just literally they’re so scared to miss something and it’s not like I instill that in them, but it’s a little bit maybe, but, but you know, they.
Brad Lowery
You put the fear of God in them, yeah.
Matt Brading
Hey, what is it about ADHD and inspectors? Like what was the deal with that? what? mean, that seems to be a what? Every, every, of them, man, like Chris Murphy like goes on about it too. You know, like what’s the deal with ADHD and inspector clearly a connection.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, Bo, you sound out to Bo. Well, it’s it is, you know, because if I’m sitting here at a desk all day and I’m doing the same thing over and over yet, right, we drive ourselves crazy. But if I can walk through a house, I’m moving, I’m touching stuff. It’s tangible. Like it’s it helps a lot, you know, and and and then. Rick. Yep.
Matt Brading
Right. So your mentor, like what was his name again? Rick. Do think he’d want to be on podcast?
Joey McPeek
Yeah,
Brad Lowery
That’s a good question, Generational training of inspectors, yeah.
Matt Brading
That’s a dream.
Joey McPeek
Generational trauma training of inspectors.
Brad Lowery
That’s it. But no, but it’s, it’s, I, I wouldn’t even call it trauma. think it’s, it’s setting the standard of excellence to which everybody else needs to measure up. If you’re to be a team leader of any sort, because whether you’re a business owner or were we saying that you’re about to say something.
Matt Brading
Well, just did the rings in my head. Like one of the first jobs I had, I was working for this van and truck rental company, which I worked for years. And one of the on my first day of the job, they had this new store and it was like on top of the stores, it was like a double wide trailer that was like done up all to look like a business. And on top of the store, they had an inflatable balloon that said, rent your vans here. Right. And so like that had to be like maintained because like wind would blow it around.
Joey McPeek
Thank
Matt Brading
Was all strapped down. My first day of the job, was like, hey, get up there and help the boss with the balloon. I’m like, what? And I get up there. And so I started doing some stuff he was telling me to do. And one of the first things he ever told me was, don’t half ass anything. And that just stuttered me.
Brad Lowery
Dude, straight out of straight out of parks and recreation never half ass two things whole last one thing. I love it.
Joey McPeek
Last one.
Matt Brading
That stuck with me for my entire life. That moment, I will never forget it. And I was like 16 years old and it has been with me ever since and it still rings in my head. Don’t have that.
Brad Lowery
Yeah. Well, for me, it takes me back to when I went from a small mom and pop company to BPG inspections and my old area manager, Ken Humphries, who’s still a close friend of mine, still makes fun of me for not being able to bench as much as he can at 49 years old. But, you know, I’m getting there, brother. I’m getting there. Yeah. Well, he’s, he’s this, he’s this barrel chested Brit and it’s just, just an absolute ball buster of a guy.
Joey McPeek
Small company to BPG inspection. Good, yeah.
Matt Brading
Yeah. It’s dangerous anyway. It’s a dangerous picture. It’s telling me how dangerous it is.
Exactly.
Joey McPeek
Just an absolute ball buster of a guy.
Brad Lowery
I, the first, the first inspection that we ever did together, he followed me around and he goes, I want to see your process. So just inspect the way that you would normally do for this company that you’re coming from. And I did my job, but of course I’m like on edge, like looking over my shoulder, like, geez, you know, the boss is watching. And when I got to the end of it, he goes, you missed this, this, this, this, this, here’s how I would have done it. and if, if you had done it this way, this way, this way, you wouldn’t have missed this. And here’s why.
Joey McPeek
For this company. Here’s how I would have done it.
Brad Lowery
And I started doing every inspection. He’s like, now for the next one, you’re going to follow me. Right. And I had gone for maybe 150 inspections a year, but I started doing things his way just after watching him because one, he, he, he humbled me. And then he showed me, let me show you a better way of grasshopper, you know? And so I started following this guy and sure enough, like, I mean, my problem here, I was doing over 400 inspections, but I.
Matt Brading
Yeah. Yeah.
Brad Lowery
It’s, and I had maybe one or two callbacks like in the three, four years that I was there, you know, but, uh, so it was when you can find when you can, when you can not just put the fear of God in people, but be like, here’s why I do things the way I do. And here’s why people call me back. Cause this guy was doing 700, 600 to 700 inspections a year. He’s like, it works. I am self. And I’m like, but you look at it and you go, here’s why people trust him.
Matt Brading
Thanks.
Joey McPeek
I’m do it here too. By himself?
Matt Brading
Thanks.
Brad Lowery
People trust his approach, trust his knowledge. And so it was the coolest thing, man. But yeah, no, it’s good on you for instilling the fear of God in your inspectors and teaching them to go about things at a level of excellence.
Matt Brading
Joey, I got to ask you. So, um, you brought this up. Joe is in a, in an inspector chat group with me and Bo and a few others. And, you brought this up there. I don’t know that you’ve ever made a video on it. So I’m not necessarily sure you want me to say this on a podcast. Let me do it anyway. mean, heck, I see your question there. You know, I’m gonna say it. So, um, at one point, and I don’t know if it’s just still the case or not. You decided to pull a plug on letting anybody.
Matt Brading
At the inspection at all. And, um, I don’t know if this is, I know this has had to do buyers and buyers agents. I don’t know if this has to do with like sellers, uh, or, mean, certainly contractors and things, but I don’t know if this had to do with sellers because I mean, like I’m in a, I’m in a regulated state. So I actually can’t tell the seller to get out of their house. Maybe you can. Um, so, uh, tell them, so, so the seller thing was probably iffy, but, buyers, agents or contractors builders like, yeah.
Brad Lowery
This is wild.
Joey McPeek
Thanks. Yeah.
Matt Brading
So tell me about that and tell me about, how it, why you did it and what happened afterwards. And, if there was any fallout, we’ll get down the road with that. What’s up with that.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, I mean, and that that whole question can be a podcast in itself of just I can go on for maybe three or four hours of that and everybody and I’ve talked to a lot of people about it and everybody has here’s one of the things like I’m a very right or wrong guy like we’ve talked about. Everybody is right to a degree and with their opinion on it. And and I believe the same thing. So I actually I called my attorney and I told him I was like, I’m going to edit my agreement. I want you to look at it. And I said, you know, I put in my agreement.
Matt Brading
Yeah.
Joey McPeek
If anybody shows up to this inspection, inspector reserves the right to stop the inspection at any time and they can’t hold me accountable for anything. And he was like, man, that’s a gray area. And so I explained my point of view to him and what I’ll get into here in a second. And he’s like, he’s like, man, I agree with you, but that that just kind of sucks. And so so I’ll start off, I’ll start off this way and then I’ll kind of get into everything with it. I’ve had to have those really difficult conversations and I’ve lost some agents that have that worked with me for a long time. Someone just blocked me on Instagram. Like, I mean, people get way too excited about this stuff, man. But I’ve expressed all my concerns with it and why I had to do it. And I’ve asked dozens of realtors at the end of that 30, 45 minute conversation. Now that you see how this affects me and my life, give me, give me an answer that you’re the expert. Give me an answer. None of them can give me an answer except, you know, everybody, every real, it’s one of the first things my mentor taught you. Every realtor is your best friend, but they’ll be the first one to throw you under the bus. And that’s, that’s held up pretty much true for, for almost anything. Like they’re going to protect themselves first. And that’s just natural human instinct too, but they don’t want to look dumb during this transaction. And so ultimately I would love to just eliminate them from the transaction altogether because it’s just tough. So as my team started growing and I was doing more inspections, like
Matt Brading
Yep.
Brad Lowery
Mm-hmm.
Joey McPeek
I can’t afford, you know, I do two of these a day. My team does six a day. You know, I can’t afford to have 75 touches per inspection. Like some of these people are like looping you into every email and we’ve all been there. Like I get it. It’s just gotten so much worse. I don’t understand it. Like they want us to be so involved with it. And I’m like, I want to go and do so. So there’s a lot of pros and cons to it. At the end of the day, like I said, liability is my number one thing I want. You to be able to sue me if I miss something and that’s my promise to you because now I can’t go into court and say well, well you brought your dad and there are six contractors here. You know, if you do that and I miss that the oven doesn’t work. Well, cool. I forgot to check it because you were asking me a thousand questions. You’re going to get you’re going to get that’s gray area. Yeah. Yep. And so what it was man, it’s like people just kept turning inspections into a freaking event and and and I never just understood.
Matt Brading
That’s gray area. That is gray area.
Joey McPeek
the like I kind of get it and I do understand there’s a lot of benefit to it of having being there and talking to the inspector. But I don’t know if you guys heard the saying but this was beaten to me to like the report goes to court everything that I say and do outside of that inspection report that I put together is liability and so I mean how many times have you heard cases I’ve heard cases to like well the inspector said this or he said this part wasn’t that important this way so there’s the liability part of it which I got into a little bit like early on my career, but I’ve eliminated a lot of that. like if there’s a leak in the crawl space and, I’ve got pictures and videos of it, I’ve got a, in a text description showing it. I don’t understand what like me sitting here on an iPad and scrolling through pictures and showing you wall and Matt, you shared something about FaceTime a long time ago and I reshared that on myself too. I get so tired of them sitting here and they’re like, they’re getting up by my iPad FaceTiming somebody who couldn’t be there. And then so what ended up happening with I don’t want to sound too negative about this because it gets me fired up. But it just hit a point to where I was going to lose my inspectors because people were wasting. He’s got a family man and I’ve said this a million times. Like I don’t have a wife or kids or anything. There’s no way I could do that and have this job, you know, because he’s getting home so late at night because these people want to keep wasting time. So it’s either I’m rude to you at the beginning and tell you can’t come by or in person, which people sometimes take a little more offensive. And so, you know…
Brad Lowery
But can you be go ahead and finish me and then I want to come back to what you were saying there.
Joey McPeek
No, you’re good. Yeah, so like like or just like what I hated the most was like the realtor shows up and they want it So no matter what you say, like hey, I give you 30 minutes man Like nobody actually does that and six to it. It’s really tough to do without looking mean like I have to leave
Matt Brading
Yeah, like you’re not gonna let, sorry, time’s up, I gotta bail.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, like.
Brad Lowery
Yes, I absolutely would. That’s my pushback right there, from, and I don’t, maybe you do teach this to your inspectors, but from start to finish, it is your job in my mind. It’s the inspector’s job on site to command the room. Right. And I have never had an issue with, was, I used to do three inspections a day. I never had an issue missing any of them because of the previous inspection, because
Joey McPeek
That’s my pushback right there.
Brad Lowery
From start to finish, I commanded the process. I communicated exactly how long it was going to take. When they would start to go off on tangents and rabbit trails, I know how to redirect and pull them back in. And for me, I, I, as much as you’re correct in that the document itself, that is our legal responsibility. There’s also the spirit of the job, which is that we’re not just here to inform, we’re here to educate as well. And the reason that I would get so many callbacks is because I really know how to handle buyers in a great way, especially for new buyers.
Joey McPeek
Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Brad Lowery
Where I can make them feel comfortable and confident in the information that’s provided not in the purchase or the Refusal to purchase but in the information that they receive and their understanding of now being a homeowner But if if you don’t command the process if you concede authority in that sense to the dad that shows up Yeah, it can get it can end up getting long, but it’s for me. I’m like, well, I’ve got another job right after this So it’s incumbent upon me if I want to get paid.
Joey McPeek
Yeah and the information that’s provided by the purchase.
Brad Lowery
To keep on moving, right? And so there’s a way to do it where you communicate it in a way that conveys authority while also still having some bedside manner to it.
Joey McPeek
Can’t believe
Matt Brading
You know, perhaps, but I mean, like also like our personalities obviously are all different. And I think that that plays a really big factor because like I feel this. On like I cannot get it out of me. This need to entertain not theatrical, but like to entertain whether it is just the idea of like somebody that.
Brad Lowery
Sure.
Matt Brading
These cautious people, you know, I just don’t have this way to shut it off. And I mean, like I would, I will be late before I will let them leave uncomfortable. And so that’s why I kind of lean towards Joey here because I love for them not to be there at all. I mean, because I honestly, end of the day, I will admit this is a me problem. I actually enjoy the interaction. It kills me. It kills me. It kills the time with my family. I leave exhausted and it’s not because of the inspection. It’s because of the exertion that I have whenever I am putting on the show for the clients and it is it is a me problem, but I know it’s a me problem. Since I know it’s a me problem. I choose to handle it where I try to get them there at the end.
Joey McPeek
I actually adore the interaction. Me too, actually. Tuesday. Yeah.
Matt Brading
Go over couple of things and let them read the report and get out of there. Can’t shut myself off. Commanding the room is not a problem, but controlling myself is a completely different situation.
Brad Lowery
Yeah, makes sense.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, of you guys have fantastic points and I’m way more like Matt too, because of the same thing. I got so much business my first start because I could translate to clients while I worked well with clients and people are so mad that I took that aspect away. But there’s a little nugget here that I did not actually take that part away. So I’ll get to that here in a second. But know, like same thing like, it’s harder for me to, here’s the question that I could never find the answer to is, you know, it sounds like you have your stuff pretty set up and you’re good to go. The one problem that I kept finding is, is man, I do not know how long this home inspection is going to take. And, and, and I still, man, and it’s like, I, I, I praise inspectors that are in that market and I push back on it. I’m like, and I’ll tell you straight up. If you want to be here at 11, I’m going to rush and there’s a chance I’m going to miss something. And so I actually started this whole thing where I was like, you cannot come out. Like you got all your pre-inspection emails.
Matt Brading
Yeah.
Joey McPeek
You have to reach out to us if you plan on coming by the inspection and set the review time, because I need to look at my schedule that day. I need to look at the age of the house and you look at the size of the house, you know, and then I need to determine from there because it’s not fair because. So it’s kind of a thing that I told everybody, so my my inspector, my one inspector has been with me forever. We started keeping track of how much time that we spent waiting on people and doing reviews, and it was over 12 to 15 hours a week. That’s a whole other business day.
Brad Lowery
Cheers.
Joey McPeek
And it’s like, and he’s very short. He’s very blunt. And he’s to the point. He will not sit there and entertain like me and Matt will do. Like he will try to get gone. And it’s like every day I’m getting texture. I’m like, geez, man, these people just kept talking. I kept trying to leave. They kept asking me other questions. And it’s just, we’re such a me first mentality. Like, like I said, people ruined it. And it’s, to me, it’s, I, I try to use analogies all the time. You know, what’s the point of buying a book if you’re going to ask the author to read it to you, then, you know, why am I producing this report? If I have to sit here and read the damn thing to you.
Matt Brading
That’s fantastic.
Brad Lowery
See, I never understood that. Yeah, it’s, you know, for me, and that’s also where actually having the person on site helps. I don’t understand why you need to. And again, I do my inspection reports on my phone. Used to do them on a tablet, but the whole thing in the field with the tablet was that you could be like, Hey, look, here’s the pretty thing that I made for you. But for me, I’m like, no, you can read that after the fact. I can give them the digest as they’re, they follow me around for the whole inspection.
Joey McPeek
Like it doesn’t make sense. You, yeah, digest.
Brad Lowery
I talked them through as I’m performing the inspection and Matt and I’ve gone back and forth about whether or not this is the right way to do it. Yeah, but here’s the thing, but it speeds up. It speeds up the review. Yeah, I don’t, I don’t have to show them the document and be like, remember that thing that I said, I could give them the here’s the key points at the end because they’ve already seen what I’m doing as I go. And then they reviewed the doc.
Joey McPeek
Can’t do it. Yeah, me and Matt are wired different.
Matt Brading
Can’t do it, won’t do it, not gonna do it. We are not the same. We are bit different. I’m going to Austin Jenkins, inspector AJ, and I’m going to say if he’s going be on the show, he’s going to talk about this no doubt, but like if you were having neurosurgery, would you want someone like hovering over this guy?
Joey McPeek
If, I’m sorry.
Brad Lowery
There’s a big difference between neurosurgery and a home inspection. Yes, there is absolutely come on now. Come on here. This is this isn’t even apples and oranges. This is
Matt Brading
Is there is there I don’t know. mean, I don’t know. Are you a nurse that do you have any? mean, I don’t know. But I mean, is it
Joey McPeek
Okay, okay. No, no, no. I need to expand on that.
Matt Brading
Importance? I don’t know. I don’t know. I mean, like
Joey McPeek
Well, so that’s one of the analogies I use a lot too, Matt. Like, thing. So I use a doctor or a surgeon and a mechanic all the time. To me, it’s the same thing of like, hey, you’ve got two hours to do this surgery and anything you don’t get done, I’m gonna sue you for. Because, know, that’s what I’m calling it.
Matt Brading
Yeah, totally. Yeah, there you go.
Joey McPeek
Like how many times have like, you know, he’s been in surgery for three hours and we don’t know how much longer he’s going to be there. And the surgeon doesn’t know until they start opening the stuff up and like, well, yeah, we’d have to take another hour to clean out his more meniscus or we found more problems when we got in there. And like, it’s the same thing.
Brad Lowery
But see, this is where you have to tighten up your process. A surgeon can estimate, again, I’m certainly no medical expert, but when they’re booking people for surgery for certain times, when they’re booking people for surgery at certain times, they have a fairly good understanding of how long a certain procedure should take, barring complications, right? And it’s the same thing now. I had to call other jobs to be like, hey, I’m running a little bit behind on this one, but I’ll be right there, but I’m going to be 30 minutes late. Yes.
Matt Brading
It sounds like he might be. I don’t know. Go ahead.
Brad Lowery
Okay, but it’s rare because especially when I was in DC in Northern Virginia, this was before sewer scopes. So I would, I knew that I could do my inspection, my radon drop and an air quality test within two and a half hours. And that was on a, if it was over 4,000 square feet, then okay, maybe I’ll add an extra hour, half an hour to an hour on there. But I also
Joey McPeek
This. Over.
Brad Lowery
refuse to do septic inspection. So I wasn’t doing, I wasn’t digging up poop tanks. None of this, but at the same time, I’m like, if you know what services you’re offering and how long it’s going to take to do those things, you can fit it in. Now, if you’re adding in the age of ancillaries where you have to sit and do the sewer scope inspection now, or if you are choosing to do full on septic inspections, yeah, you know, that’s going to take a lot longer to probe, to dig up to all of this.
Brad Lowery
So you but the thing is even that you know about how long so you have to figure out what’s one of my offering
Joey McPeek
Yeah
Brad Lowery
You do man Yeah, at least if it’s certain size house. Yeah
Joey McPeek
I mean, that’s a and we’re both speaking from experience and I think one of the biggest differences is I think you’re operating on slab houses too. And I think some of these houses, oh, basements. OK. Oh, Virginia and DC. I’m thinking Florida. Yeah. OK. So, yeah, yeah, that’s what you’re saying. Three days. I’m like, they’ve got to be like twelve hundred on a slab and I’ll go knock them out. Yeah, you can show up for the whole thing if you want.
Brad Lowery
No full basements in Virginia and DC. Yeah, it 10 years. It was full basements man most pieces. Yeah, yeah, Florida you can bang about yeah.
Joey McPeek
I still agree with, like, I think it would be fantastic, you know, to translate that information. And I’m like, Matt, I’m a showman. Like I want to be there and I feel good when I leave, I feel energized, but that takes away from so many other parts of my life. And all I’m doing is just, I’m reacting to experience. you’re like, you’re saying like, you know, to push back a little bit, like you should have an estimate. Yeah, I do have an estimate, but I, that estimates about two hours. You know, I could start this inspection at eight 30 in the morning. I show up at the 1999 house. It’s never been cared for. I’m documenting everything for your sake. Like there’s been plenty of times where I’ve, know, when I had reviews, they get there at 11 and then they do their 15 minute talks and they do this. And then, mean, I’ve got a one o’clock after this and there’s so many days where we weren’t eating lunch. eating, well, I’m eating a salad as I drive and like, and man, it’s just, I think there’s a fine line to it. And I do have an answer for that. I’ll come around to, but like of what I do that, that I feel like it helps us. I don’t want to say get away with this. I feel like it gives the clients, you know, something better, but man, even in the short period of our day, a two hour estimate can ruin your day. And then I’m just, I’m one of those people too. I’m 15 minutes early to everything. If I’m five minutes early to something, I feel rushed and I feel mad like the rest of the day. So it is a personality trait. Like Matt talked about, like I do have that flaw in me, but I hired an inspector who’s a complete opposite personality to me too. And he’s feeling the same things and he’s pushing back. And you know, if I lose him, I’m going to shut my business down because I’ll just go back to being a solo inspector because it’s just not worth it anymore. So.
Brad Lowery
yeah.
Joey McPeek
I want to make these guys happy. so back last summer, you know, we started, we went through that process of like, I am promising you that you’re going to get by far the best home inspection reports you can get. And so we use but I, I, put a video. Yeah. Yeah. But anyways, whatever software you use cut. Yeah. Yeah. Well, somebody’s in my house. No.
Brad Lowery
We’ll bleep that out. There’s no judgment here. Yeah, well, what was that? well, we lost Joey again.
Matt Brading
Sorry, use what? Use what? Hey, you cut out. You know what? Never mind. Just keep going.
Joey McPeek
But so, know, whatever software you have that has the picture, the ability to put like pictures and videos in, like, I don’t need you to be at this house to show you that the door doesn’t latch. You can read that in just a picture, but so for any kind of moderate to major items, so we, we, I tell her, this is I sold it. We, build in the review. Now you can read as much as you want. what did the inspector say? This, this, and this, cause, and I get so little callbacks and you know, if they do like, Hey, send me an email. And I was just on another podcast. I made this joke like, and it’s pretty much true. If you have a question after you read your home inspection report, there’s a 99 % chance you’re an idiot because it’s probably in that report. And that’s how thorough these things are because I, that’s, and that’s just from my experience. So, and you know, this is a very inspector niche. Yeah. And I do.
Matt Brading
I mean, you got to take the time, you know.
Brad Lowery
like, let’s put it this way. Let’s use this as an example, right? And again, I haven’t seen I haven’t seen your report, so I’m sure they’re amazing. But like, in your comment on the HVAC system, do you also do a description of here or this is this is a single zone system for a two three story townhouse and you also have dampers right here, you should operate these
Joey McPeek
See you.
Brad Lowery
Based on season so that you’re directing airflow so that heat rises and cold air falls so that your house is properly cooled evenly throughout the home because there is not there aren’t Electronic dampers that are sending the airflow based on multiple thermostats. Do you put all of that in the comment? Okay, when I when I have somebody here when I have somebody here following me around on the inspection I could go hey check out this damper right here
Joey McPeek
We still season and that you’re gonna…
Matt Brading
No! What the hell are you talking about? No! Just stop! Right there!
Joey McPeek
Thank you, Matt. Thank you.
Brad Lowery
If you guys notice that it’s hotter upstairs in the summertime, that’s because you’re probably sending more cold air downstairs. Think about thermodynamics. You need to be sending more cold air upstairs so that the house is cooling more effectively throughout because this is an older system, right? They can see that and they can learn about it. Like, wow, okay, cool. Remember that time the home inspector said this? You see what I’m saying?
Joey McPeek
Just noticed that it’s hot and a bar folder upstairs so that the house is cooling more effectively throughout because this is a molder system. They can see that and they can…
Matt Brading
I totally get it right. But I mean, like, when you speak it like that, like I get it. But I what I’ve come to because I’ve talked to you about this, I’ve talked a Preston then about this. And what I’ve learned is that it’s just it’s personality, right? It’s it really is our personality. And it comes down to how we know we work best and we can understand how we work best and sell that.
Joey McPeek
Personality.
Matt Brading
Then I think we haven’t made right because we just need to be able to sell. Look, I know I do my best work whenever I’m left alone. I know that I also know that I can give you a really good show, but I actually want to do that at the end because I care so much about what’s going on between point A and point B. You and some others have a different approach and can do that. I do not think that method is for everybody, but I got a really good question for Joey about this.
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Matt Brading
Because we seem to be aligned with, with how we go about that. We, we, I mean, it’s either show up at the end. Okay. You got the don’t show up at all. and I get that because I’ve been held up at the end a long time. I’ve done the inspection. People were like, well, I’m not going to be there for 30 minutes. Then I’ve had to wait on them and then talk to them for 30 minutes. Like I’ve done all that. Like I get it. And so I get like drawing the line and being like, this can’t happen. We’re done. I’ve had moments like that, but let me just ask you like,
Joey McPeek
Like I get it.
Matt Brading
After you drew the line, what changed? it better reports? Were people more focused, fewer distractions? What was the benefit to you and your company, like directly? What changed?
Joey McPeek
Distractions in your company picked up correctly. I’m going to tie in what Brad’s example about the air dampening into this as well is we already were known for the most thorough reports and the best inspections. And that’s kind how I marketed everything through social media is like, guess what? It’s going up a notch. Right. So not necessarily for your specific example, Brad, but like, you know, we have a video that that shows you and everything like here’s where you change your air filter. You know, we recommend this, this and this. So here, I will walk you from the front door to wherever you like. Most of our water shutoffs are right by our crawlspace hash. Like, to shut the water off to your house. And there’s a five to a 30 second video for almost everything explaining it to them. And if I, yeah. And so, so, so again, it’s a built-in report, man. If you want to know the most possible stuff you can about your house, I’m going to do that. So the gas shutoff main water shutoff to shut off power to your house, how, where, and what to change your air filter with basic maintenance. And even in like the videos on the exterior,
Brad Lowery
That’s cool. Okay.
Joey McPeek
Or wherever and if it’s a minor item in the report, we’ll talk about that in that video too. This is kind of a minor item, but it’s a good reason to do this because of XYZ. Yeah, so that’s what I tell everybody. It’s a built-in review.
Matt Brading
These videos are in your report.
Brad Lowery
For HTML reports, yeah.
Matt Brading
And that’s really good. You put, you put maintenance, maintenance videos in your report.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, or for whatever we’re talking about, right? Like if it’s something, if it’s something specific.
Matt Brading
So you have some like drop and drop drag and drop maintenance videos you drop in your report. So we’re saying.
Joey McPeek
No, so I do eventually want to build some that are going to be copy and paste where I could say this for almost every report, but everything that we do is going to be specific for the house. You know, for example, like change, change your air filter. So I’m like, Hey, you have, you have returned grills and you have one in the master and you have one out here in the hallway. These are 30 day filters. You’re going to need to have like a little step ladder in your closet. And these are, these are going to have to be changed every month. Whereas if it’s a filter by the furnace and like, you know, you can put a four inch filter in here. So we go through and like I said, like
Brad Lowery
Wow.
Joey McPeek
We do a built-in review. Like everything you ever need to know about that house is in that repeal it.
Brad Lowery
That’s amazing.
Matt Brading
You really got me thinking man. you really everything. mean like right now. Yeah, I don’t know if my software can actually handle it, but even if it can’t like there’s still ways to get videos out there, but like. You got me really thinking about I do this on social media, you know, like already do it like the videos are already there actually. And so like if I could just catalog them and be like, OK, so you know this is.
Brad Lowery
I know.
Joey McPeek
I don’t care about them.
Brad Lowery
Why not put it in the report? Yeah.
Matt Brading
This issue, let me drop this link in the report. This is so that you can learn how to maintain your stuff. Then it gets me views, you know, whatever. mean, it’s like a, it’s a win-win. Like I’m not doing it for myself. I’m doing it for you, but I get a fringe benefit of getting the views as well. And, because man, like my biggest video ever on any social media platform, maybe not, but
Joey McPeek
Yeah. That’s it. Yeah.
Matt Brading
My biggest YouTube video is about how to drain a sprinkler backflow preventer. And at least here in Texas and like every year people go to it and they watch it again. I had a buddy in mind and he called me up one day. goes, I was trying to figure out how to do this. And I went to YouTube and you’re the first one that came up and it like, okay. Yeah. but I mean like, yeah. So that concept.
Brad Lowery
How big was it?
Joey McPeek
What is so relevant? And they reshare.
Matt Brading
But like integrating it into the report, man, you really got me thinking about that. That’s cool.
Brad Lowery
Now, Joey, you answered
Joey McPeek
Yeah, I’ll text
Brad Lowery
My question, dude. Yeah, you definitely answered my question, which was like, how do you, how do you tackle the review portion if they’re actually not there? You’re, you are using the actual tools that are built into so many of the different softwares that are out there right now, whether Porch or others. but, no, that’s, that’s fantastic. And I’m glad you’re doing that because it’s like, again, like I was saying, like I, how do you,
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Thanks.
Brad Lowery
Keep that connection to the buyer, that educational component, because that’s what got me so many callbacks from agents. They’re like, oh, dude, this guy.
Joey McPeek
That connection to public education. Yeah.
Matt Brading
You know, Brad, though, you got to understand also, though, that like, OK, when were you inspecting West Virginia? Because that was when you’re the most prominent in home inspections, right? When was that?
Brad Lowery
Right. Gosh, was four years ago. Yeah.
Matt Brading
Okay, so lots happen.
Brad Lowery
Right. Again, we didn’t have video in our software back then. Yeah.
Matt Brading
Yeah, yeah, a lot has happened and how people are getting their information and how much has been put out there on social media already in the last four years has actually changed the landscape.
Brad Lowery
Sure. But yeah, even in Florida last year, but yeah, even in Florida last year when I was doing inspections, it was the same method. this is where again, we’ve talked about how you have to adapt. This is something that I need to start doing because Joey you’re doing, you are using modern tools for modern solutions and it’s speeding up your workflow, man.
Joey McPeek
Yeah. And it’s better, you know, like if I take 30 and back to that one original point, like I’ve tried to express to people so many times, like if it’s just a standard defect and I can, it takes you how long to put that in your report. Let’s say, you know, you walk up a window needs caulk on it and you go exterior windows, picture, caulk, whatever. And it depends. Do you take pictures of all the exterior windows? You do a general, like, Hey, this is kind of a basic thing. Let’s call those defects 30 to 60 seconds, right? You know, when you have to like figure out a problem, which we have to do a lot on this thing of like, okay, I know when I get in the crawl space, I need to take another look at this because this is acting like this. Like now, now a lot of those defects can go from like 60 seconds to put into your report to maybe five minutes or 10 minutes, or maybe I have to look something. Maybe I have to upload code or might go to my code pro and look something up. Maybe, maybe I have to Google something real quick. Maybe I need to send a picture to my mentor and wait for him to respond to me. Like that, that one defect.
Matt Brading
You got to get out of the crawl space and go do something and get back into it. You know, like that sucks.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, yeah. And so like if like if I’ve got a report with 75 defects in it on some of these just absolute trash homes, man, I don’t have time to sit here and go through. I mean, I want to get the report done and I’m already in those. So anyway, that was just becoming so much more common and there was really no effort. So I made a promise to people like I’m going to give you the absolute best report and that review will be built into it. Now you don’t have to wonder like what did the inspector say standing around the dining room table? And the other thing that we were running into and you guys tell me if you run into this, it’s like we would, we’d be doing these inspections and the sellers would be there a lot, especially during COVID, right? Like, like, you know, around those times, everybody started remote jobs are so popular now and, and, or people were just coming home and it was like once a week. And now we’re the bad guy because I’m like, Hey, they’re actually coming by for review at three 30. And they’re like, what? My realtor never told me this. You don’t have any hands in these things pass through. And that was happening like once a week. And they’re like, well, they’re not. And so I would tell the sellers like good call your realtor and tell them not to come by. I would do that. I teach my guys to do that. Like tell them not to come by. It’s your house. You can do what you want. And you know, and so. Yeah.
Matt Brading
This is exactly the event. It’s your house. You can do what you want. That is exactly what I’m talking about. This is the whole premise of this whole episode. Joey, I got to ask you because we’re getting towards the end of the show here. But I feel like this is kind of a heavy question, but I don’t know. mean, like, what do you think? Like, if you could change one thing, one thing about how real estate or inspections work, what would it be? We could change one thing. Just one.
Joey McPeek
Yeah. Man, I would when chat GPT first came out and I was like, well, if this can do real estate contracts and we can get rid of realtors trying to do too much. I’m fine with it because you can train buyers. It’s harder to train realtors, you know, like you’re only buying a house how many times a year, right? Not many every couple of years or whatever. You know, realtors doing a bunch of transactions and they do it their way. And one of the other reasons why I perform the way I do now is. You know, I always ask these people, if you have a job, how many boxes do you have? You know, I’ve been in sales. I have a manager. He might’ve had an area manager and then maybe a CEO. Maybe you have like, but one person you’re reporting to. I’ve got a thousand plus people that are telling me how to do my job every single day. And like, I’m the professional. I do this every day. You do four of these a year. Shut up, you know, and it’s, there was just so many of those. And you know what? I started my own business for a handful of reasons because I don’t do good with authority and people tell me what to do. I like to wear shorts and a hat as many days of the year as I possibly can. And, I like to help people and I feel like I’m achieving all that. And the one thing that I did not mention Brad that you’ll like is we need to get paid for our time. I don’t think any of us will disagree with that. Okay. If you’re wasting a bunch of time, I don’t, hate saying the word wasting. Cause I feel like that is demeaning to clients. Cause some people do need their handheld and that’s okay. But I offer what we call a peak premium inspection.
Brad Lowery
Amen. Absolutely. Come on.
Joey McPeek
And you’re going to rent that inspector for the day. I’m going to, you’re going to meet me in the driveway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the value, you you came back, but here’s what’s going to happen. You’re going to get me, but you’re going to pay for two inspections. Basically it starts at a thousand bucks and you’re, you’re, going to, you’re going to walk through that house with me and I’m going to show you everything. And I’m not going to do this big flash of your board because you don’t need it. You’re there and you’re seeing everything alive, but I’m going to hold your hand. I’m going to explain every little system to you. And I love it, man.
Matt Brading
That’s McPeek value. It’s the combo. Yeah.
Joey McPeek
I absolutely love it.
Brad Lowery
That’s where that’s something that we couldn’t do like back in Virginia. And I think maybe even in Florida, because law there is if you’re performing the inspection, you owe them a report. So like a written
Joey McPeek
Well, I still do the report. It’s just not with the videos and all the flashy stuff. It’s like, yeah, you’re still getting the report, but I’m like, I don’t need to explain it to you because you’re right here. And I can explain to you like this door is binding in the jam right here. If you notice this hinge is loose, you run some three inch screws. That’s not stuff that we put in reports, right? Like it’s not necessary. And I feel like I agree with you a lot, Brad. There’s so much that I can teach people, but then, you know, then you go to court. How much out of the SOP are you allowed to step?
Brad Lowery
Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool.
Joey McPeek
And yeah, so there is, there’s Brad the home inspector that wants to do really great for people. And there’s Matt the home inspector that he’s a showman and he wants to show these people. And you know, Matt, you’ve got a beautiful face and people know you from online. They just get excited to see you, right? Like they get there and they’re like, they want to do a video real fast with Matt. Listen, I can’t believe I actually got on his schedule and all this else. So there’s a lot of fluff that makes you feel good, but it kills your time. And if you have a family or something, you just can’t do it. And when I’m running a team, know, inspections cancel. I might have two inspectors on a job. I’m going to finish that job in half the time now. So I’m going to finish that job at 9 30 AM. And I told you to be here at 1130. I’m the kind of man that’s going to honor my word. Now I’m going to ask you if I can leave. But if you tell me that happened all the time, Oh, I can’t get there till 1130. You promised me 1130. You told me 1130. I’m going to wait till 1130 man. I, cause I’m not, I, I did make that promise and sorry, I brought two inspectors in and we had one cancel, you know, so that happens a lot to running a team and it’s just, you can’t run business when you’re, when people are telling you how to schedule and that that’s where all in that.
Brad Lowery
Yeah, I get that.
Matt Brading
First of all, I’d like to go back to the beautiful face part that you were saying, but no, mean, like I would also like to say like, cause I share a lot of the frustrations with real estate agents. And the problem is if you look, I look in Texas, but if you look in Texas, there’s a ton of real estate agents. If the list is this big.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, can we? Yeah, we got to emphasize.
Brad Lowery
You can’t skip that,
Joey McPeek
I’ve had a lot of frustrations with real estate.
I was gonna…
Matt Brading
The amount of them that actually do their job and do it well is like this big, right? It’s very, very small. And, but there are some that really do good. I know you’ve alluded to it because it’s like we’re dropping them in a category. And I feel like to some degree you could do that with inspectors too, because there’s inspectors that are terrible. I mean, you just said it, you know, earlier in the show, you were talking about how you compare inspection that you do to the competition. There’s no comparison whatsoever.
Joey McPeek
Yeah. Yeah.
Matt Brading
So I mean, like, you know, the same goes for both. It’s just, you know, I try to align and work with the agents that really do good for their clients and care for their clients. There are some out there that do, but I totally agree with you. Like at the end of the day, like I work for the buyer and the best thing that ever really happened to me in my career was getting this social media reach.
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Matt Brading
Where I could reach the client and not have to go through the realtor. I reach good realtors that way too, but now I can work directly for the buyer and that’s, I don’t have any of the noise.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, that’s.
Brad Lowery
Yeah.
Joey McPeek
Yeah. And then what the last thing I’ll say about that too is, is I, like I said, the market can change and either adapt my business or it falls apart, but it hit a point where I would rather shut this thing down than keep going through what I was going through every day. I had like a mini heart attack on a roof. was so stressed out one day, like no realtors get my phone number now. No buyers get my phone number now. Like I, my blood pressure was so high because people like I sat on a roof for an hour and a half one time because my phone just would not quit ringing and it’s dumb questions. And so
Matt Brading
It’s a terrible place to have a mini heart attack.
Joey McPeek
When you give people that kind of access to you, they take advantage of it. And that’s what the big problem was. And so, you know, what I found is this is good. You know, if the market changes and I have to change or shut or shut down shop, then I’ll have to make that adaption. But until then, I’m going to make this exactly what I want because I was ready to shut it down. It got to the point where I hated this. This job was not fun anymore. And now it’s fun again. But the good news is, is all those realtors that need so much extra attention, they went to all my competition. And you know what? Those guys are complaining to me now because they’re all bogged down with all these morons sending 3000 emails and text messages and phone calls. And you know what? Like all the good agents that are doing 50 plus transactions a year have this conversation with one of my top agents the other day. That’s 50 inspections you have to go to. That’s over 50 hours a year. That’s two whole days. You know, more than two whole days that you were spending at inspections. I was like, I got that time back. You got that time back and all the really good ones were pretty stoked to see that I did this because they’re like, hey, I hated going to these stupid things. Thank you. I got all the good ones. Now, the Boise market is mine and you guys all my competition and have all the ones that just need too much attention.
Brad Lowery
Ha ha. Good work, man. No, and again, way to use modern tools for modern solutions. first of all, where can people find you, Joey? Where can they follow you? Because you’ve got a pretty big following too.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, yeah. I always joke. treat Instagram like my LinkedIn. So I’m a lot more professional on there. If you want to see the more unhinged version of me, I’m on TikTok. So peak inspections. And then I started doing some YouTube shorts. I just started uploading a bunch of stuff and woke up one day and had like a thousand followers. So was like, this is cool. So don’t, you don’t need to bother with my YouTube because it’s literally just all my TikTok stuff, but Instagram and TikTok peak inspections.
Brad Lowery
Keep building it.
Matt Brading
Don’t say that.
say that. Go to his YouTube, do them both, do all of it.
Brad Lowery
Yeah, keep building it. You all
Joey McPeek
Yeah.
Brad Lowery
Love it, man. Seriously. Well, here’s how I knew that you started to build a really good following Joey is when I got followed by Joey McPeek spam accounts. So I had a couple of them like DM the the show channel. Yeah. I was like, this isn’t Joey. But yeah, yeah, no, we did. Yeah, they’re really blocked.
Joey McPeek
Spam accounts.
Matt Brading
Know that.
Joey McPeek
Yeah, report them, yeah.
Matt Brading
Joey, did you get your coaster?
Joey McPeek
I, here’s another flaw of me. I check my mail about once a month, I guarantee it. But I know you sent it to me. Yeah. Yeah.
Matt Brading
He hasn’t even checked the mail!
Brad Lowery
All right, come on, go get your coaster. That’s it. Well guys, this is again, this is what I loved about this show. One, we’re all doing things different ways, but Joey, you offered some really awesome new insights and ways to use new tools to get jobs done in a way that’s beneficial to everybody. But thank you so much for one, watching the show and tuning in the way that you do engaging with all of our content, but also jumping on here. And we want to hear from so many more of you guys. So.
Joey McPeek
Science. I’m Topps, and I’ll so much for watching the show.
Brad Lowery
Go follow Joey and more importantly right now, go follow Matt Brading over on the build show network.com. You can, you can check him out over there as well. In addition, obviously to here and his own channel. So guys, this has been a good one. Fantastic. I would raise a glass call of you, but this has been gone for a minute. So, and that’s all the water. Thank you guys so much for watching Joey. Thank you so much for being here. We’ll see you all next time right here on.
Joey McPeek
Whoo! So guys, and it’s a big offer. Yeah. Thanks for watching.
Matt Brading
The Ride Along.